The Rockin Johnny B

Thursday, November 29, 2012

OMG Here We Go Again

Attempts to control digital communication

See my attempts at logic in red...jb

Morsi of Egypt reminds me of President Obama when he goes around [funny turn of phrase "goes around congress?"  I don't think so.] Congress using the presidential executive order. Just look at his use of the different government departments in the new laws and regulations he and his staff are implementing.  Margaret, the president seldom sets foot in the Congressional Building...neither him nor the vice president.

[Executive orders by President: Barack Obama = 140, George W. Bush = 291, Bill Clinton = 364, George H. Bush = 166, Ronald Reagan = 381, Jimmy Carter = 320] Truth be told a whole bunch of executive orders have been doled out by both Republicans and Democrats.  Don't blame Obama he's doing his job that we elected him to do.]

Here are some reasons for giving an executive order:

Presidents typically issue executive orders for one of these purposes:

1. Operational management of the executive branch

2. Operational management of federal agencies or officials

3. To carry out statutory or constitutional presidential responsibilities

In 1970, President Richard Nixon used this executive order to establish a new federal agency, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, under the Department of Commerce.

Shortly after the December 7, 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor, President Franklin D. Roosevelt issued Executive Order 9066, directing the interment of more than 120,000 Japanese Americans, many of whom were U.S. citizens.

In reaction to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, President George W. Bush issued this executive order combining over 40 federal law enforcement agencies and creating the Cabinet-level Department of Homeland Security.

 As one of his first official actions President Obama issued an executive order that some claimed allowed him to hide his personal records - like his birth certificate - from the public. In fact, the order had a very different goal.

Another aspect are the many bills that have been trying to be passed in one way or another for government to curtail, put limits on, have all access to our electronic devices, e-mail, computers, etc., without cause or going through judicial process. They say it’s for the good of the nation.

So, what you are saying, in effect, is that the government should have no say in what goes over the internet and there should be no limits on content or purpose of the internet's messages [curtailing some of the stuff on the internet might just be good for this nation...but I'm in favor of free speech no matter how odious]. Right?  Somehow I think you don't understand how government works.  Here's a short history lesson regarding executive orders and congressional bill passing.

Step 1: A Bill Is Born

Anyone may draft a bill; however, only members of Congress can introduce legislation, and, by doing so, become the sponsor(s). The president, a member of the cabinet or the head of a federal agency can also propose legislation, although a member of Congress must introduce it.

Step 2: Committee Action

As soon as a bill is introduced, it is referred to a committee. At this point the bill is examined carefully and its chances for passage are first determined. If the committee does not act on a bill, the bill is effectively "dead."

Step 3: Subcommittee Review

Often, bills are referred to a subcommittee for study and hearings. Hearings provide the opportunity to put on the record the views of the executive branch, experts, other public officials and supporters, and opponents of the legislation.

Step 4: Mark up

When the hearings are completed, the subcommittee may meet to "mark up" the bill; that is, make changes and amendments prior to recommending the bill to the full committee. If a subcommittee votes not to report legislation to the full committee, the bill dies. If the committee votes for the bill, it is sent to the floor.

Step 5: Committee Action to Report a Bill

After receiving a subcommittee's report on a bill the full committee votes on its recommendation to the House or Senate. This procedure is called "ordering a bill reported."

Step 6: Voting

After the debate and the approval of any amendments, the bill is passed or defeated by the members voting.

Step 7: Referral to Other Chamber

When the House or Senate passes a bill, it is referred to the other chamber, where it usually follows the same route through committee and floor action. This chamber may approve the bill as received, reject it, ignore it, or change it.

Step 8: Conference Committee Action

Photo of conferees meeting When the actions of the other chamber significantly alter the bill, a conference committee is formed to reconcile the differences between the House and Senate versions. If the conferees are unable to reach agreement, the legislation dies. If agreement is reached, a conference report is prepared describing the committee members' recommendations for changes. Both the House and Senate must approve the conference report.

Step 9: Final Action

After both the House and Senate have approved a bill in identical form, it is sent to the president. If the president approves of the legislation, he signs it and it becomes law. Or, if the president takes no action for ten days, while Congress is in session, it automatically becomes law.If the president opposes the bill he can veto it; or if he takes no action after the Congress has adjourned its second session, it is a "pocket veto" and the legislation dies.

Step 10: Overriding a Veto

If the president vetoes a bill, Congress may attempt to "override the veto." If both the Senate and the House pass the bill by a two-thirds majority, the president's veto is overruled and the bill becomes a law.

But I question for whose good. Which department of government will use it? If you notice, it’s never been for you but the control of you. Will President Obama use his executive power to make this happen?

You remind me of that anarchist who is robbed, then calls the police.  If the police take longer than expected to respond, the anarchist cries foul.  But wait a minute, aren't you the one who wants government entirely out of our lives?  So what if the cops don't come at all, isn't that what you want?  We, the people, hire the president of the United States to make EXECUTIVE DECISIONS and then complain when he does?  Don't you find that a bit ironic?

I think all news media should show cause and effects of these regulations to every person: man, woman and child. Last would be the phone numbers, addresses, etc., of government departments that we can express ourselves directly to.

Other than ending a sentence with a preposition [a grammatical no-no], the news media does report government departments and names of senators and congressmen in your local paper.  You can find them on the internet also.  Have you tried?  You can actually write the POTUS himself: The President [Dear Mr. President], The White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Washington, DC 20500.My final thought is we the people should have due diligence or we might just find our freedoms more curtailed because of our compliance, and then freedom — no more!

You do have a point actual valid one.  I suggest you take your own advise.  next time you post something, research it first.  What you've done is spout opinion and not facts.  You sound like Fox News -- I hate to call 'em this -- reporters.  Our government has been around for 236 years, and in that time, there have been thousands of bills passed and 27 amendments to the [supposed perfect] Constitution.  Everyone of those amendments and bills have had to go through a rigorous process before enacted.  And yet, there's one more check, the Supreme Court of the United States of America.  If all else fails, they are there to make sure constitutional law is obeyed.
Now the U.N. wants to control our Internet! China, Russia and Iran are pushing for this! Check While you’re at it, look at their agenda 21. It’s an eye-opener.

So, let me get this straight, Agenda 21 is about becoming Eco-friendly, about cleaning up the atmosphere and stopping deforestation and finding more and better forms of clean energy.  In general, Agenda 21 is about having a more clean environment.  And you're against that, right?  It has nothing to do with the internet!  You must be a Glenn Beck fan.  There's a guy that spouts statistics like he ACTUALLY understand them.  This whole Agenda 21 problem is a non-problem.  Are you satisfied that there is no global warming?  That humanity itself is on the not brink of self-destruction?  That's what Agenda 21 is about.  It's about trying to save ourselves.  You are against that?  You think it's some great grand conspiracy to take away all our rights and privileges?  You, my dear, have been duped.  There is no grand conspiracy execept in the minds of the Tea Party folks and radical right-ers.

Margaret, I suggest you actually read Agenda 21, then write some more about it.  Tell me where you find passages that are going to bring about the destruction of our country and rip up the internet:
Margaret Lee, Caldwell

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